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I think the OP has posted a good question. We do not need to defend our interest in gear or tone, because this is, after all, a gear discussion page that revolves around gear and tone. So it is easy for the outsider to think that all we do is obsess about tone and gear. For most of us I am sure that is not the case. I can only imagine that we all practice and work on all the skills that affect our musicianship.
But - let me ask this question for all the folks who seem to be saying that tone and concerns about the details of tone has little to do with music. Would you be happy with just having a synthesizer play all your music? Because it seems to me that everything outside of producing the right vibrations per second that make up the notes in our music is about tone. Our instument choices, piano, violin or guitar, picks or fingerstyle, vibrato, legato, amplification or acoustic and on and on are about nothing but getting the right tone to use in expressing the notes. The music is notes on a staff and correct vibrations per second - everything else is about feel and style and TONE!
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There is no one thing, the "tone obsession." I'll bet it's different for everyone here. For me, it's all about music. Without music, tone can be irrelevant.
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Here's Derek Trucks thoughts on tone.
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyl...cks-Interview/ For me it's all about getting the sound that's in your head to come out. I usually don't buy tons of amps. I played a twin reverb for 15 years before getting the Vibrolux that I love now. It's the amp for me, and really I don't spend time looking for anything else. Both amps have made me want to sit down and just play. That's what tone is about for me.
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hmm, thinking about it, mebbe i'm an acoustic guitarist, and an electric hobbyist then.
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Yes TONE is incredibly important. What you sound like helps greatly in conveying the emotion of the music to the listener.
That said, guitar lessons from a top pro have been just as important in my development as a guitarist... just as important as the time spent in my search for the best sounding gear that I can afford. Not more important. And they aren't mutually exclusive either... Practice, practice, practice. But by all means, please try to sound the best you can too. I will say that with tone, expensive doesn't always equal great sounding. And we all have our personal preferences |
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OK...we agree!! Not sure how I mis-read your post. I guess when you mentioned "having their own tone" I assumed you were talking about their rigs. I totally agree with all of the above, and your previous post in the context you intended.
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I think some of this discussion is based on differences in how we use terminology and interpret the OP's original comment.
For me, great TONE is no substitute for muscality and creativity. But - great musical melodies are nothing without great tone, feel and instrument choices. For those who are remembering fondly the early tone of many of their idols, I think their memeory is failing them. I have many Jeff Beck, Clapton and early Stones on my iPod, and the tone on their records is horrible as is the recording quality. A listen to Truth, Wired, and so on will help you recall this. The tone is bad even though the musicianship and creativity is great. Also remember that all gear was cheap back then. Current costs for a basic setup we all used back then is in the thousands. What would a Les Paul and a Super Reverb made in the US cost today? Thousands of dollars. Then there are the aspects of tone such as how you use your hands to create sound. Getting a good vibrato can take a long time to master. How you fret and release notes all impacts tone and I work on this a lot. How can you argue that this is unimportant to musicality and the quality of the music?
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The way we sound, and the whole process that goes into it, will always be important. Further, anyone who thinks pros do not obsess over the way they sound does not know any pros.
And in the end, if you don't have compelling music to play, none of it matters at all... dc
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I had my moment dabbling in the world of audiophiles and I couldn't hang. I found myself putting on recordings for their great engineering, but often times it wasn't what I wanted to listen to. It got in the way of enjoying music.
Chasing guitar tone is a whole different thing. Look, this is what we do. Playing music for me is all about the community - the on-stage conversation between you and your bandmates, your connection with the audience. It's downright mystical when it's right. Part of having great guitar tone is having it be absolutely right for the band you're playing in at any given time. If it doesn't fit, if it isn't your signature, it isn't right. You can't separate great tone and a great performance. You owe it to your audience and your bandmates. It's an obsession I'm pretty comfortable with. |
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Tone is extremely overrated.
If you actually nail some of the tones from your favorite recordings you'll have a very unpleasant sound. Because having the best recorded guitar sound doesn't always work in a band format - you're competing with too many other tonal colors... That's why some of the best tones are from songs where ONE person is really playing solo, and everyone else is just laying back. They can get a wonderful tone as long as they're the spotlight. "Cause We've Ended As Lovers" for example. I feel embarrased because I just bought a Pedaltrain PT-Pro for my prog band, and the thing is almost empty. A billion pedals will not replace knowing a billion songs, note-for-note. Why do some people have 30+ guitars but can't play one entire song from beginning to end? That's the real mystery, IMHO.
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Do you actually know anyone with 30+ guitars who cannot play one entire song? I mean, besides an investor/collector type. It's my theory that the gear hound who can't play is largely mythological. dc
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I most definitely have met many folks who do own a "Fendery" electric, a "Les Pauly" electric, an acoustic, a travel, and a classical, who still need chord/tab sheets or they can't play one song. And don't even get me started on tuning. No wonder so many people are in a rut.
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What often happens is that people think someone should not have nicer gear than they do, or nicer gear than some gigging player does unless they can play as well, and of course, it doesn't work that way. Surely you don't think that someone should have to show their chops and get approval before buying nice gear, right? dc
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